Karpov Wants to Play Fischer
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BUENOS AIRES, September 21 (RIA Novosti, Yury Nikolayev) - Multiple world chess champion Anatoly Karpov is ready to face Bobby Fischer, the Russian chess grandmaster told RIA Novosti Wednesday.
Karpov said the possibility of such a match depended solely on Fischer and getting sponsors. "Fischer is hardly predictable. It depends on him, and of course, on the sponsors. Fischer is always interesting, but he wants to play his chess. That's no problem - we can play his chess."
Karpov, who is currently the guest of honor at a chess festival in Argentina, said "Fischer's chess" envisioned the initial position of the chess pieces defined by a computer. The pawns remain in their places, and a computer determines the other chess pieces' positions.
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posted by Chuck Ayoub at 4:11 PM
36 Comments:
Karpove would destroy him!
Why would Karpov - a real chess player - want to waste his time playing Fischer, who's a loser, a fake, a worthless scum sucker ?
Using Fischer's chess, most memorized opening knowledge becomes immaterial.
Creative imagination based on solid fundamentals will succeed.
I do not believe Fischer was ever "afraid" of Karpov.
Fischer would start out tentative, but succeed in a match.
The Einstein of Chess is back, but I wish they would play the classical game
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im harcee sarmiento of philippines.. that would be a great game if they will use the classical process of chess. i want to see fischer using caro-kann against him(karpov)
Fischer would beat karpov like a rented mule. hands down. he is the best
Karpov should offer that generosity to play Fischer on 1975 when the Title was at the stake. Or on 1976. OR when Karpov was still the World Champion so there is always a title at stake. Now? what for, just for money? Karpov is not and never as gentleman as Spassky. Not before at his best and not now when he no longer one of the best players.
I can't think of any decent chess player that Fischer could even come close to beating. Bobby Fischer is a chump - an immature child who could never grow up, an idiot who won a few matches early then ran away from true competition.
What a crummy-assed loser who was then, & remains to this day.
In reply to 9:57 comment.
You should use decent words so others could believe your comments. The only decent in your comment is the word "decent" nothing else. If you cannot think as you said then dont think anymore, you mind can't do it, otherwise it would drain and get a stroke. Don't get sick of thinking take care of your health.
In playing chess it is not required whether you are acting like an immature child or what. More critical is you could play better chess than the rest.
Your lack of knowledge in his games, won tournaments and matches are betrayed by your comments. Buy Fischers 800 plus games book or just see them in the internet. You should also know why Fischer did not play that time.
Only Fischer was the only Champion who did not get his privileges conditions as a champ that prior champions had. Karpov had even more conditions afterwards and FIDE was his puppet that time and Kasparov was a victim in their first world championship match. Thanks to Former President Campomanes who saved him.
I started to wonder if you really understand chess because for those who did still appreciates Fischer's games until now. Even computers had review his games at his best and always agrees on his moves as the best moves except for quite few and its natural.
Karpov got the title without effort of beating the reigning champion that time but Karpov actually misses the opportunity to play against the strongest chess player of all time.
I agree with the previous message before you that Karpov is not as kind and generous as Spassky. Karpov is not at his best now and nothing is at stake except he could get prize money regardless of the outcome of the matches if Fischer agreed to play with him.
Simple probable answer. He is challenging Fischer now just because Fischer could attract sponsors with big money at stake. Win or lose he will get a prize money.
If Fischer is afraid of a true competition, why he did not even bother to Karpov's challenge?? Why is he now challenging the highest rated World Champion Topalov?
The answer is simple, Topalov is more worthy opponent than Karpov and that what Fischer wants.
I agreed with your comments! The person talking before you are talking nonsense and its a proof of ignorance.
I read Fischers' games and found tons of brilliancies then I read Karpovs' games and I fall sleep whenever I go through those games, its quite boring. So I decided to throw that book away.
Karpov is no match to Fischer.
Right, Karpov is only after to the prize money. It is clearly stated in his challenge. Sponsors! Karpov should challenge Fischer during his tenure as a FIDE Champ. But he cannot afford to lose the title he he effortless took from Fischer. But now, there is nothing to lose except win or lose he will get the prize money. Fischer vs. Topalov is more attractive.
Karpov said the possibility of such a match depended solely on Fischer and getting sponsors. "Fischer is hardly predictable. It depends on him, and of course, on the sponsors. Fischer is always interesting, but he wants to play his chess. That's no problem - we can play his chess."
Karpov should say that in 1975, Fischer is always interesting, that's no problem -we can play with his conditions for the sake of their chess (not random. If he did that in 1975 for sure we have seen another great classical games regardless of who is gonna win, BUT he didn't!!
Impliedly, logical reasoning could answer why he did not do it in 1975 and why he is offering now to play with Bobby provided Bobby could get sponsors. What do you think?
Those of you who choose to defend Fischer are chumps just like he is.
He was scum back in 1972 - he couldn't play straight up against Spassky, but had to engage in unsportman-like antics.
He was a joke back then, has been a coward throughout his life, & remains a loser to this day.
An earlier post says it doesn't matter if you act like an immature child, the point is to be better at chess than your opponent ? What kind of a dimwit are you ? Chess is the classical game - it needs to be played in only a classical manner, meaning it's played by gentlemen (& women) who appreciate its history & beauty.
Bobby Fischer only wanted to "beat the Russinas" (his words).
He had the chance to change the game for good, but he ran away, abondoning the title, the game, & his fans. He is the consummate loser, my friends.
In reply to 8:25 pm (for sure the same critic commented at 9:57 pm.)
You are probably the chump not anybody who gave good comments related to "How Fischer played". You wanted people to agree with your nonsense comment so they will not be called chump and that is another nonsense remarks. As usual you tried to attack the people the way you did to Fischer. Your lack of knowledge in chess history and his games betrayed you.
You are blinded by your own medicine because you are acting like immature child talking without basis.
Since you just want to talk negative nonsense not doing any research, here is the excerpt of the Former World Champion Spassky
"When I played Bobby Fischer, my opponent fought against organizations - the television producers and the match organizers. But he never fought against me personally. I lost to Bobby before the match because he was already stronger than I. He won normally." -- Boris Spassky
But ofcourse you will not get this remarks from reliable former world champ Spassky. Because you are actually no different who had its own unrealistic mindset and wanted to create hatred but thanks you stop thanking God again then curse Fischer. Probably you had realized its hypocrisy but I still doubt that you had realized it (you dont have it).
If Fischer did not defend his title before, you should research the reason. Did he really ran without any reason? If yes then I would agree with you but if he had some conditions like every champs privileges and FIDE did not agree, then you should be fairminded.
Note that he wanted to play the highest rated player and the current FIDE champ "Topalov" and not Karpov. If he is coward, he would not challenge Topalov but he did.
In reply to 8:35pm comment obviously it is also you (improve your grammar and spelling).
You are actually dimwit not us. Do you know that at the age of 5, a child can start to play chess and dont you know that there is no age limit in chess as long as you could play. Do you know that because of Fischer who fought against organizers not players made the stake in chess much higher since? Champs before dont get much money and always ends up penniless. Research for chess world champs who died penniless. But after Fischer, champs gets higher stakes even the challengers.
You have made your own definition of "classical game" but I am not impressed, you sound like Russian (not Russinas-wrong spelling). I do not know which thesaurus or dictionary the meaning of "classical". Because if you are right, then you are showing sign of hypocrisy again because you are then against the beauty of the history and made your own version of history of which yourself appreciate so much. However I partly believe that you are right, because I noticed that you stop playing chess and reading history at the early age because it is "played by the gentlemen" only.
It is true that he wants to beat the "Russians" but the word "only" as you said
--"Bobby Fischer only wanted to "beat the Russinas" (his words)."
is not from Bobby. Otherwise he should only play Russian tournaments and it is impossible because he is 7 time US Champ, other prestigious tournaments were played by different countries but he played and got 1st place in most of them. He should not also play Bent Larsen in the candidate match (6-0) because Bent is not Russian but from Denmark.
He should also accept challenge of Karpov if he wants to beat the Russians "only" but instead he challenged Topalov "a Bulgarian" not Russian. Who is lying or dimwit then?? I doubt that you know the meaning of "dimwit".
Next time please talk something sensible. Though I understand that you stop playing chess at the early age because you said it is played by gentlemen (if you did not stop then I would think that it is another hypocrisy) but you should also stop talking nonsense that betrayed your emptiness.
"If the casserole is empty it is too noisy when the spoon hits it"
You are absolutely right, that guy who said that
--"Bobby Fischer only wanted to "beat the Russinas" (his words)."
is actually the dimwit!! It is not Bobby's words at all. The dimwit could insist (he is the real dimwit remember?) but he should make a reference where did he get it, else shut up. "The word "only" in his sentence is very unEnglish.
If Fischer wants to beat the Russians "only", he cannot be a world champion in 1972, he would lost in the candidate match against Bent Larsen by default because Bent is non- Russian and he "only" wants to beat Russians.
Fischer would also play against Karpov and waived every Champ privileges/conditions because Karpov is Russian (He "only" wants to beat Russians the real dimwit said).
Fischer would also accept immediately Karpov's (Russian) recent offer to play with him but he did not, instead he challenged the current world champ Topalov (Bulgarian not Russian).
If Fischer is coward, he would not challenge the highest rated and current world champ Topalov. He likes to play against current best player.
That "only" real dimwit who I also believed ceased playing chess at a very early age based on his definition "played by gentlemen", should also watch his tongue because he has no idea "How good Fischer played chess"
Lastly, after personally attacking Fischer and people who defended Fischer's chess ability (nothing else), the real dimwit called us friends to make us believe. It is another hypocrisy or he also doesnt know the meaning of word "friend".
BEWARE OF HYPOCRITES!!
An earlier post says -
An earlier post says it doesn't matter if you act like an immature child, the point is to be better at chess than your opponent ? What kind of a dimwit are you ? Chess is the classical game - it needs to be played in only a classical manner, meaning it's played by gentlemen (& women) who appreciate its history & beauty.
Bobby Fischer only wanted to "beat the Russinas" (his words).
He had the chance to change the game for good, but he ran away, abondoning the title, the game, & his fans. He is the consummate loser, my friends.
Let the real dimwit talk, because though he is ignorant and know nothing about Fischer games, he is indirectly funny. Let me tell you why.
1) His grammar and spelling are as bad as his mouth.
2) It proves his ignorance but still insist
3) He stop playing chess because it's "played by gentlemen" (if he didn't he is hypocrite).
4) He knows too little about chess history but he talks like he knows everything and he thought its beautiful so he tried to share his twisted version-lol(little knowledge is dangerous).
4) He thought that the only nationality of the whole whole world until 1972 was only "Russian". Fischer played 800+ games against players geographically and beat them convincingly. After beating them, they became "Russians" LOL!
5) Based on his definition "Russian" Fischer did not play Karpov in 1975 because only Karpov did not change his nationality to Russian (USSR). Fischer "only" wants to beat Russian or {Russinas lol} (his words not from Fischer).
6) I read Fischer's conditions in 1975 if there is such "He only wants to beat Russians" and how Fischer found out that Karpov is not Russian, so he ran away, lol!
7) I was wondering if Topalov had changed his nationality to "Russinas-his word" so Fischer challenged him. Fischer "only" wants to beat "Russinas-his word" remember?
8)After talking a lot of nonsense, he did not recognize that his words betrayed him to be the true dimwit.
9) He added a new definition of Chess. Chess is "the classical game". So Blitz and Speed Chess are not! They should use another board and pieces, lol! Take note women, you are not allowed to play Blitz and Speed chess! Classical World Champs Kramnik and Alekhine til death, congratulations! Though Kramnik (a consistent 5-7th placers in any tournaments recently) had avoided a rematch against Kasparov and Alekhine against Capablanca. You are falling under classical under the definition of this person, lol.
10) After calling us chumps, he called us "friends". What a hypocrite, lol.
11) If that person's native tongue is english, he should go back to school and improve it then study chess history and geography. But if not, he should study english then chess history and geography.
Someone would ask, regardless he should study english, chess history and geography, why did I expound that long, it is unEnglish. LOL.
Simple answer, whichever the outcome, I dont think he would changed his distorted mindsets.
Fischer vs. Topalov is a better match. Even exhibition match.
Hey lad, Topalov is Bulgarian and no news yet whether he is thinking of to change his nationality to Russian.
Just came across this site (which is done very well actually), & in reading some of the long preceeding posts I think a few of you have missed the point. Rather than pick on someone's typos, read what is being written. Bobby Fischer was a great chess player once upon a time - but he then abandoned his fans due to his paranoia. Not sure how old some of the posters are, but I was around to see the sickness that filled Bobby. Very sad to see him denigrate the game of chess that he had earlier tried so hard to build up. Now, we can feel sorry for him if we want, because he chose to be a recluse, & he has suffered with his warped mind all these years. That's a sad waste of what was once a great talent gone to pot.
Typos are not really the point here, we just have a little fun with it but more on that dimwit ridiculous comments. You are absolutely right that he suffered with his warped mind all these years and none could ever change that except Bobby himself. He did not abandoned his fans but he abandoned chess. I am his fan in chess and if I think of negatively, I would hate him (maybe) but I look more on beauty of his past games. If he can do it again thats great but if he can't I remain his fan for his past games.
I am not sure who had missed the point or points here. Let us try to look and analyse the whole picture in-and-out of chess then lets make some bullet pointers.
His character basically is unique but no one has the right to blame him. Why??
1) He became like a hero in 1972. Russia supported their chess players ever since. In 1975 Russia is playing chess politics, did U.S. tried to intervene and support Fischer to get his conditions?
2) In 1981, Fischer for sure was still popular and known that time (actually until now). Fischer was caught and tortured in Pasadena as he has been mistakenly involved in bank robbery(??)Do you think it was really a mistake? If yes, how about the Police brutality? Is that how they really do it?
2) Can you blame FBI for opening his personal files to the public?? Who has the right to divulge your personal files to public? Or we have to use double standards? Just like who should only produce weapons of mass destruction.
3) He came back in 1992 carrying U.S. flag (see his pictures in 1992), probably if U.S. did not try to stop him, we could see the continuation of his chess career. We could see then the long awaited come back of Fischer and his further contribution to chess brilliancies. Not playing for 20 years and still playing at that level was no joke. Thorough training in a short period could put him back to the top. If chess is life for Fischer then he had lost it for 20 years.
But U.S. said he violated the sanction against Yugoslavia by playing chess, he has to face imprisonment, turn-over of the prize to U.S. treasury and pay taxes & penalty. He has no option but to hide again. If chess is life to Fischer, he had lost it for a long time and the opportunity for him to get his life again (chess) from 1992 onwards seem so dark, U.S. made him "wanted/fugitive" and not allowed to go back to his own country. He is not allowed to continue his life (chess) and let him be penniless as U.S. wants to put him in jail.
4) Last year, he was caught in Japan. Is Fischer really a dangerous person that U.S. so eager to get him.
His option to comeback after 20 years to his life (chess) is gone after U.S. order of his violations. He had lost it forever.
The only options left.
Should he choose to be reclused or stay in U.S. jail after 1992 match for the rest of his life? Which is better? Or U.S. puts him into lose-lose situation that triggers more hatred.
Dear 4:05 AM writer ...
I think we're maybe saying the same thing more or less. You say Bobby abandoned chess where I say he abandoned his fans. I agree with you that he did abandon chess - my point being that in doing so, he deprived his fans of the chance to see even more of his brilliance, thus he also abandoned us as fans of the game. His early games are incredible to play through.
I think his paranoia deprived him of a "normal" life, & deprived the rest of the world of the chance to see what more he could have done. He failed at life, & as I wrote above, what a sad waste of what was once a great talent.
You are right, his paranoia deprived him a normal life but he did not deprive the rest of the world of the chance to see what more he could have done.
He tried to comeback a couple of years after 1975 to play against Karpov but Karpov doesnt like to play with the title at stake. He was willing to play Fischer only at exhibition match and the negotiation was killed at the early stage. Karpov had challenge Fischer recently? Why? There is no title at stake but just for money obviously.
FIDE was a puppet of Karpov from 1975. Look what was done in 1984, Kasparov should win the match but for the first time in the history the match was cancelled and rescheduled til the following year. So Karpov remain the Champion for another year and had the chance to study his games with Kasparov, but tactical player is always better than positional player, so Kasparov won the following year.
Look at Karpov's comments at Chessbase to FIDE on June 7, 2005/July 27, 2005. Since he cannot dictate FIDE anymore, he puts a lot of allegations and finally he wants to run for FIDE President.
Fischer showed up in 1992 basically it was the start of his comeback. Few flashes of Fischer's genius were still there but he was not that strong as way back 1972 but could you imagine not playing for 20 years and could still play at that high level? Thorough practice in a short period of time could put him back to the top! But outside force tried to stop him and made him a wanted/fugitive. How could you continue to play with a flag that made you a fugitive? Move to another country? We might do it if we were him, but how do you know what is the next action of U.S.? He became like a criminal for playing chess again.
Chess is life for him before, could you imagine how difficult to breath for 20 years without life? In 1992 match, he breathed a little but U.S. wanted him to stop the match/breathing?
Honestly, it really triggers more frustrations/hatred. He was unsupported by U.S. government eversince but unsupported is not enough he should be treated like a criminal and persecute if he ever come back to US but he did not so US cancelled his passport and be deported from Japan. If Fischer cannot be persecuted in US, let it start from outside US. Thanks to Iceland who saved him.
Why U.S. did not put USCF officials who ordered chess books worth half a million dollars to Yugoslav during those period of sanction? USCF had paid portion and the rest were not paid due to the sanction (i heard it was paid after several years when the official were replaced). But the books were used by US players. Is it a kind of another double standard?
I agreed with you, he failed at life and sad waste of what was once a great talent but sentence should not stop there. His failure is not entirely his fault to be fair. Outside force played a very important role of what he is now.
Dear 2:56am writer;
I am new in chess and you are right, I just read the result of 58th russian championship just now Dec 31, 2005, Kramnik got 7th place, how did you know a week early? I heard that Kramnik is the classical world champ is it true or just a joke. I thought Topalov is the World Champion as I have read in the recent news and the current highest rated player.
Kramnik is not really related to this blog but for your satisfaction I am going to answer it just once.
Kramnik had beaten Kasparov way back year 2000, but Kasparov was out of form that time. Kramnik on the other hand was not really the challenger but Alexei Shirov who had beaten Kramnik convincingly in the candidate match. There was supposed to be a rematch but Kramnik avoided it at any cost because of the great probability that Kasparov could regain the title (like the way Alekhine avoided Capablanca but hypocritically, when Capablanca died, Alekhine said "With his death, we have lost a very great chess genius whose like we shall never see again." It is also good to note that Alekhine refused to play tournaments if Capablanca is there for years until 1936). Kramnik tournaments records are consistently bad specially in 2005, from 5-7 placers in Super GM tournaments).
As we could see, Kramnik's result were not really impressive. Though I am not saying that Kramnik is not that good, he is actually a great drawish player. His drawish percentage is one of the highest compared to the other world champions.
Topalov is the current FIDE world champion and highest rated player. He is more convincing to be the real current world champion because he holds characteristics of the real world champ.
1)His impressive tournament records recently proves to be the best now (in the absence of Kasparov-retired)
2)His impressive results with FIDE world championship. If Kramnik joined that world championship, I guessed he is lucky if he could get two wins the most.
That is why Fischer challenged Topalov because he thought that the latter is worthy opponent.
An exhibition match between Topalov and Fischer would be great to see.
Fischer would waste Karpov, no doubt. Fischer had he reasons, and I hold nothing against him. He's amazing, and he would definitely prevail.
I believe that all the champions were the best and excellent, but there is a way to beat every one of them. Between Fischer and Karpov the winner will be who ever is best prepared
These anti-Fischer comments are based on something else other than chess. I caanot tell you how many times, including 1992 where he would come up with the perfect chess move that all the other grandmasters had never thought of or discarded. Karpov is tailor made for Fischer. he is a dfenesive genius, but the idea of building a fortress against Fisher and waiting for a mistake- is like trying to be a counter-puncher against Ali in his prime. And why are you so concerned about the classical game which can be played by theory all the way to the end. Chess is a game of 2 minds and if you have to figure it out at the board- that is your true champion. Psychology and understanding your oppent is part of any competetion. How doyou think other golfers respond when Tiger has a 2 stroke lead in the final round and he is 25 out of 25. It just means that Fischer is using his oppenents strength against hisoppenent. If it is too hot- get the hell out of the kitchen. Russians ruled Chess for 100's of years and they counld not gang up or defeat the lone American. Tell Karpov to go vivit his friend Kruscheh and kill someone else.
It will be excellent for the chess itself if anyone can arrange a Fischer-Karpov Match. Fischer will certainly have a huge plus on Karpov because he has been playing Fischerandam for quite a time now. But nevertheless one must not ignore the possibility of Karpov doing fair in such competition as he really knows Chess.
I think Bobby will even win the Classic Chess Match if that can be arranged with high quality security ensuring there is no external help. The quality of chess that we are seeing now even in the Kramnik-Topalov games is not at all sophisticated that Fischer would not able to grasp and play. I think the original plans are far less in todays games than that we found in the games of Fischer.
So, I hope someone...anyone can actually arrange such match and we the chesslovers around the world would certainly pay to see this match.
Why do you always fight?
On Fischer, on Kramnik on Kasparov and who not! You see as a chess lover you would be better off if you confine youself within the games that are presented infront of you. The background of the artist mostly are very rough but there can be no doubt when you see a masterpiece and it is better to call such work "Masterpiece".
Fischer as a chess player is definitely one of the best amongst the best who have ever made moves on chessboard.
Admit it and things will be much smoother.
About the current match situation...ofcourse Karpov doesnot stand a chance but anyway let there be a match. Anychess match of any kind. Because that brings up the possibility of Fischer's coming back to the chess. IF FISCHER ONLY WRITES BOOKS ON CHESS STILL THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR ALL OF US.
Two has-beens like Karpov and Fischer trying to cash in, like two clapped out (overweight) heavywight boxers would be a waste of sponsors money and fans time.
Bobby fisher was and is the most influential chess player in our time, and to unapreciate his games is madness.
Bobby Fisher is the most influential chess player of out time, and not to appreciate his games is madness.
What A Pity! We never saw a game between fischer and karpov! Chess loss great games...maybe in the future...!
the best chess palyer of all times is karpov
but fisher one of the most importantplayers. remember that at the age of fifteen was
a great chess leader.
Fisher wins 19 times in a row to stay in semifinals beating in this chain Taimanoiv and Larsen. No body before and today do that against the best players of FIDE, I mean the world.
The conditions for Karpov before blasted Spassky -bringing him 1 point for forfeit- was: indefinite machs until the first player earn 6 points. The FIDE refuse this, but 10 years before it was the conditions for the next Championship- just for avoid the draws games-.
Long life for his chess legend [only]
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